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Should someone start a new topic on Fragrant Pears? or should we keep lumping them into ‘Asian Pears’
https://china.notspecial.org/archives//11/fragrant_pears.html
There are several topics in this forum over several fragrant pears…
https://growingfruit.org/search?q=fragrant%20pears
The US Govt classifies them as fragrant pears… but must be from the Korla region… deeper reading also notes that in China they are mostly referred to as Korla pears.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents//12/23/05-/importation-of-fragrant-pears-from-china
Personally i would like the truth on many of these fruits and call them Chinese Pears. As many of these ‘Asian’ pears are actually Chinese.
It will take me some time to do more detective work… but from what i am gathering it may be possible that Tsu Li could also be a ‘Fragrant Pear’ ?
I found this bit of info-
Xinjiang Fragrant Pears are mainly produced in Kolar, there are more than 60 varieties of fragrant pears, of which Dangshan Pear (intro-duced from Dangshan. Anhui Province) and Qipan Pear (Yecheng County) have the better quality. However, Korla fragrant pears, reputed as Chinas honey pears" and “prince of fruits,” are famous since the ancient times. The fragrant pears, soft, tasy, and refreshing, have a honey aroma, a thin skin, tender flesh and beautiful color. They are not only loved by people in Xinjiang but also by people both in other provinces and abroad.
A bit more reading leads to Dangshan pear called Suli… Su Li aka. Tse Li aka Tsu Li?
A bit more says that the Dangshan pear is crisp, sweet etc.
From this review it sort of fits the profile as well.
Tsu Li from the cultivar guide can be stored for 6 months and is recommended to be stored for a long period.
Some of the info says that you must grow Ya Li to pollinize it but it doesnt appear so.
Like the note says there is probably over 60 varieties of Fragrant pears… so interesting that some Chinese pears that we are able to obtain may also be Fragrant pears. Or maybe not.
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Tsu Li is ‘native’ to Shandong province from what i read and has been cultivated for over a thousand years.
I guess its possible that it never made it to the Dangshan province in all that time but it for sure made it to Japan a long time ago.
I just remembered the talk about the ‘floral notes’ and smells of pineapple etc… im not sure how that wouldnt make it a ‘Fragrant pear’…
I have not seen Tsu Li called a ‘Fragrant’ pear… which is why i brought it up.
As for calling them Chinese Pears… as far as I can tell you coined that term…which i think is more fitting.
As far as i can tell the criteria for a Chinese pear to be a ‘Fragrant Pear’ is the crossing with the Euro pear which gives ethyl decadienoate from the Euro pear and hence aroma.
Not sure how Tsu Li doesnt fit this criteria.
Pyrus pyrifolia x ‘Tsu Li’
The fruit from this venerable Chinese variety can be large, with an elongated neck like a European pear. The flavor is gently sweet and aromatic.
Speaking of Large… perhaps Tony bought Tsu Li at his local store? If so why were they called Fragrant pears?
Can you tell us why?
From what i gather the ‘Fragrant’ pears are Chinese cultivars crossed with Euro pears which give them fragrance. Tsu Li in just about every description not only resembles a Euro pear but almost all reviews talk about its smell/fragrance/floral notes.
Your description in this thread along with Scotts mentioning that ‘fragrant’ pears are cellaring pears… also fits.
Im not sure we can have a Fragrant Pear thread or discussion without knowing what makes a Fragrant pear. I would think it would be somewhere along the lines of being a Chinese pear, being crossed with a Euro pear, have fragrance/floral notes/aromas, and need to be stored/cellared…or as they use them to be exported all over the world in cold storage…
Hard to really know as some of these Chinese pears have been cultivated for thousands of years and most of our (US) information and plant material is via Japan. I think many folks have gotten the wrong plant material from the USDA as well. Perhaps the fruit that is imported from China doesnt match what we grow as named varieities here. Thousands of years of cultivation would obviously lead to many variations i would think.
This is a very in depth detail of what was known about Tsu Li/Tzu Li and Ya Li half a century ago.
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